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sparkindarknessAnd added bonus of all the suggestions is it showed some more objections I didn’t know I had :) I was aware of them as possible but didn’t think I’d have many options so I thought I may have to give up on them.
So, extra conditions I’m taking into account (AKA Sparky‘s Moved Goal Posts):
1) The Sept of Gaia Triumphant was a Croatan Caern that was brutally stolen/nobly liberated by the Silver Fangs. Part of the ongoing theme of peacekeeping in the plot will be making overtures to the other Native tribes - the Uktena and the Wendigo.
Soooo... the city cannot be in areas that are canonically Uktena or Wendigo (northern Canada, south west US)
2) The sept of Gaia Triumphant was also conquered relatively early in the settlement of the US - ideally the city shouldn’t be tooooo far west (it doesn’t have to be an OLD city, since it could have been conquered long before humans got there, but it does have to be an area that western Garou would have been able to reach)
3) Hopefully, canonically, it will have the right werewolf populations that I have in my Septs.
4) The urban Sept is dominated by Glass Walker werewolves which, in turn, are rather out matched by a large and powerful vampire population. This really means that the city has to be rather large and have a powerful and/or diverse economy otherwise it simply wouldn’t interest the Glass Walkers enough or support the vampire presence
5) There has to be an element of back of beyond to the forest. This is not a forest where people go picnicking and hiking. This is the trackless wilderness where Red Talons will EAT YOU nom nom nom if you get too close to the Sept.
I was doing a lot of research on each city (political history etc) but first I think i need to weed out the options that my moving goal posts can’t let me have. So a list of those that I’ve had to put aside. To come debates on which one to go for!
Firstly I have to remove any city that has a British city’s name - because it’s going to cause all kinds of mental gear grinding. No matter how often I say “Birmingham Alabama” I’m going to think of lots of Brummies running round.
Because the city has to be relatively decent sized (at least it has to be big enough that I can expand it to suit the chronicle without completely ruining any research I may do) that counts a few cities out. Ideally the population would be 250,000+ and much bigger for preference
Maryville, TN Beautiful surroundings, great, close national park but just far too small - if I increase its size then I might as well make up a whole new town. Tomah, WI Is also out due to it’s small seize. Bangor, NH and La Crosse, WI aren’t so small that I couldn’t expand it but I would have to maul it a lot to bring it up to scale and if I do that then there’s not much point me researching it?
My need for a city that’s at least fairly east has stymied me more than a little - but I can’t get away from the story need of the Caern being taken from the Croatan by force and early in America’s settlement:
This rules out Seattle, Porland (Which is a crying shame), Salt Lake City (which, frankly, nearly made me throw out my “needs to be fairly eastern” requirement because there‘s a whole load of forests round there) Billings, MT, Denver C... uh, what‘s the second letter you use for Colorado anyway? CO? Probably CO
I need a city that fits the werewolf populations I have. I can’t have my extra-diverse Sept if they’re in an area that’s canonically dominated by 1-3 tribes (which is why I ruled out Europe). In particular this means avoiding Uktena, Wendigo and Fianna territories:
So anywhere that’s slap bang in the middle of Appalachia, or too close to Appalachia is out. Chattanooga. Anchorage is pure Wendigo territory (though having hunt down Palingites - evil Wyrm creatures of corruption would have been fun). Atlanta is out because of the situation with the city’s vampires and DC is out because of the issues running in the capital would bring
So, extra conditions I’m taking into account (AKA Sparky‘s Moved Goal Posts):
1) The Sept of Gaia Triumphant was a Croatan Caern that was brutally stolen/nobly liberated by the Silver Fangs. Part of the ongoing theme of peacekeeping in the plot will be making overtures to the other Native tribes - the Uktena and the Wendigo.
Soooo... the city cannot be in areas that are canonically Uktena or Wendigo (northern Canada, south west US)
2) The sept of Gaia Triumphant was also conquered relatively early in the settlement of the US - ideally the city shouldn’t be tooooo far west (it doesn’t have to be an OLD city, since it could have been conquered long before humans got there, but it does have to be an area that western Garou would have been able to reach)
3) Hopefully, canonically, it will have the right werewolf populations that I have in my Septs.
4) The urban Sept is dominated by Glass Walker werewolves which, in turn, are rather out matched by a large and powerful vampire population. This really means that the city has to be rather large and have a powerful and/or diverse economy otherwise it simply wouldn’t interest the Glass Walkers enough or support the vampire presence
5) There has to be an element of back of beyond to the forest. This is not a forest where people go picnicking and hiking. This is the trackless wilderness where Red Talons will EAT YOU nom nom nom if you get too close to the Sept.
I was doing a lot of research on each city (political history etc) but first I think i need to weed out the options that my moving goal posts can’t let me have. So a list of those that I’ve had to put aside. To come debates on which one to go for!
Firstly I have to remove any city that has a British city’s name - because it’s going to cause all kinds of mental gear grinding. No matter how often I say “Birmingham Alabama” I’m going to think of lots of Brummies running round.
Because the city has to be relatively decent sized (at least it has to be big enough that I can expand it to suit the chronicle without completely ruining any research I may do) that counts a few cities out. Ideally the population would be 250,000+ and much bigger for preference
Maryville, TN Beautiful surroundings, great, close national park but just far too small - if I increase its size then I might as well make up a whole new town. Tomah, WI Is also out due to it’s small seize. Bangor, NH and La Crosse, WI aren’t so small that I couldn’t expand it but I would have to maul it a lot to bring it up to scale and if I do that then there’s not much point me researching it?
My need for a city that’s at least fairly east has stymied me more than a little - but I can’t get away from the story need of the Caern being taken from the Croatan by force and early in America’s settlement:
This rules out Seattle, Porland (Which is a crying shame), Salt Lake City (which, frankly, nearly made me throw out my “needs to be fairly eastern” requirement because there‘s a whole load of forests round there) Billings, MT, Denver C... uh, what‘s the second letter you use for Colorado anyway? CO? Probably CO
I need a city that fits the werewolf populations I have. I can’t have my extra-diverse Sept if they’re in an area that’s canonically dominated by 1-3 tribes (which is why I ruled out Europe). In particular this means avoiding Uktena, Wendigo and Fianna territories:
So anywhere that’s slap bang in the middle of Appalachia, or too close to Appalachia is out. Chattanooga. Anchorage is pure Wendigo territory (though having hunt down Palingites - evil Wyrm creatures of corruption would have been fun). Atlanta is out because of the situation with the city’s vampires and DC is out because of the issues running in the capital would bring
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Date: 2008-10-01 04:34 pm (UTC)1) ... Soooo... the city cannot be in areas that are canonically Uktena or Wendigo (northern Canada, south west US)
Ottawa's in relatively Southern Canada! And you'll have southwest Ontario to play with, which is about as South as Canada gets, too.
2) The sept of Gaia Triumphant was also conquered relatively early in the settlement of the US...
Ottawa (As Bytown) was encorporated in the 1850s, but the area is quite close to the early British and French settlements, so it's within reach of werewolves. Especially with being close to the Saint Laurance (SP) Seaway.
3) Hopefully, canonically, it will have the right werewolf populations that I have in my Septs.
I'm not sure what you have in your Septs, so I can't comment here. But you've mentioned Silver Fangs, and we've got the Government here so this is a good start.
4) The urban Sept is dominated by Glass Walker werewolves which, in turn, are rather out matched by a large and powerful vampire population.
Ottawa is the site of Silicon Valley North, aka Kanata, which supported a major computer tech industry until the bubble burst. There's still a fair amount of R&D done out here. The government bureaucracy and various spin-off industries is about 40% of the local economy.
5) There has to be an element of back of beyond to the forest. This is not a forest where people go picnicking and hiking. This is the trackless wilderness where Red Talons will EAT YOU nom nom nom if you get too close to the Sept.
Algonquin National Park offers BOTH options, due to it being bloody enormous. There are fringe areas that are hiker friendly, and deep deep deep freaking woods.
Incidentally, this is a city where it's mildly interesting when a bear wanders into downtown or deep suburbia (And obviously alarming to locals), but not shocking. Moose, also, get into the downtown core, and deer have been known to go leaping through peoples kitchen windows, run around the house in a panic, and then bust out the picture window and run out into the night, leaving behind a lot of very confused humans.
I have passed a bear who was taking the highway straight downtown. He was in the slow lane and not particularly chuffed by all the traffic.
The huge ass "greenbelt" in the city and the federally-owned parkways result in us being spread out, but they also acts as a wildlife corridor right into the heart of the city. This is one of the few cities I'd actually call "Lupus friendly". Red Talons might ACTUALLY have a semi-significant presence somewhere within spitting distance of a "city".