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But very necessary I think to see just how extreme the hate is, especially in this case where we can see just how much damage the hate does and how it can be used.

Box Turtle Bulletin Has done a superb job of following and reporting on the Ugandan kill gays law. he has now put together some videos of Scot Livery one of the American hate mongers who went over to Uganda to encourage and lay the foundation for this law.

The videos are very powerful. And quite painful to watch and listen to.

Never let someone tell you “it's just words.” Words matter. Words mean things. Words are the foundation on which hatred, violence and persecution rest.

Scot Livery has been behind some of the most hateful rhetoric you have ever heard against gay people - and his words found an audience. In Uganda. The man who claims to know more about gay people than anyone else in the world (hah, any straight person claiming that should be slapped for that alone) spread his hate along with other American hate mongers - and others built upon that hate and implemented it.

Now we have, in his words “a nuclear bomb against the gay agenda” in Uganda. This is the power of words. This is the power of hate. And this is why we must speak up and speak out against people spouting this kind of vileness.









Horrendous to watch - but necessary to learn. Because we can’t forget who these people are and how extreme they are. We can’t let them back out and claim innocence. We can’t let them separate themselves from their actions
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The New York Times has finally blinked and realised that Uganda has this little kill-gays bill being planned. It even blinked twice and realised *gasp* American religious conservatives are some of the primary instigators of this genocidal bill while those of us tracking Christian love towards homosexuals are less than surprised.

Of course those religious bigots are shocked - SHOCKED - that their innocent words be used to justify the massacre of homosexuals. They are stunned that it could ever come to this! WHO COULD POSSIBLY HAVE KNOWN?!

Who could have known that accusing gays of recruiting children could lead to this?

Who could have known that accusing gays of preying on teenagers could lead to this?

Who could have known that calling the gay rights movement an evil institution could lead to this?

As Box turtle bulletin very clearly states (and his reporting on the Ugandan bill has been by far and away the best I've found anywhere) this is beyond bullshit. They knew, they were warned and there was no way in hell that anyone with half a brain could not have seen the damage they were doing.

These men have blood on their hands and are morally guilty of the deaths that will come of this law. They are due nothing but disgust and revulsion - and if there were truly sorry or horrified by the pain and deaths they are causing they would travel to Uganda now and try to fix the evil they have caused.

But they have not - and until then the lies these evil men spout are worth nothing
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An Anglican Vicar, in the UK, sees the point in Uganda's law. You see, the fact that Ms Ladele wants to impose her religious views on people accessing government services means that Ugandans should look at the terrible state we have reached (preventing civil servants applying their bigotry to their jobs! How shocking!) and of course that would prompt not only keeping homosexuality illegal - but also punishing gays with life imprisonment and execution

I say again, the victories to secure our existance are relatively recent. There are still truly hateful bigots like this man left in the country pushing against our rights to exist and survive, championing the desire to hate, fighting for bigotry in law and through the nation. That is deeply frightening and reminds us that we can't stop working to protect ourselves



To add to further grief Rwandar is likely to vote on criminalising homosexuality. Yet more religious ties with the west. We have a long way to go for freedom and equality - or even the right to exist.
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Because, y’know, I think you’re an intelligent man. I also think you’re an aware man. And when you were first chosen you were tipped to be liberal. I get that “liberal” from an organised religion point of view is certainly different from what I consider liberal, but I kind of hoped it would mean more than “yes you can toast marshmallows on the fires we use to burn people” liberal.

But he has finally spoken about the Uganda bill. FINALLY. As I said Here I’m not overly impressed by a condemnation that is so late in the day - but at least it’s something.

Except I cannot imagine him “condemning” this bill in a worst way. Seriously - it’s awful. It has multiple fails on multiple levels.

Let us look at it

Fail the First
It’s in the damn Telegraph. Yes, I know I know not everyone haters the paper as much as I do. But it’s a paper that, quite frankly, doesn’t give a damn about gay people in Uganda or anywhere. He may as well have spoken to the bloody Daily Mail. And if you actually go to the Torygraph’s website you’ll find his statement isn’t even on the first page (X factor? Yeah we have that. A bishop praising the Taliban, yeah we have that). It took me quite a while to find it - not helped by the fact that the title doesn’t even mention Uganda. But there’s a good reason for that.

Fail the Second
The title of the piece is: “Dr Rowan Williams: taking a break from Canterbury travails” What? This is him speaking out about a Ugandan genocide bill?

No, it isn’t. It’s a general interview. A very rambly, chatty interview. It starts by talking about the English countryside. Then we talk about *SHOCK* the Lesbian Bishop in the US, the Lambleth Conference and then FINALLY we get to Uganda and his statement which I’ll get to in a moment. Then we move on again.

So, his condemnation of Uganda? Is a paragraph, a brief reference, an aside in a long and rather tiresome interview.

Fail the Third - THE BIG ONE
Rowan Williams Statement. Let me quote it:

“Overall, the proposed legislation is of shocking severity and I can’t see how it could be supported by any Anglican who is committed to what the Communion has said in recent decades,” says Dr Williams. “Apart from invoking the death penalty, it makes pastoral care impossible – it seeks to turn pastors into informers.” He adds that the Anglican Church in Uganda opposes the death penalty but, tellingly, he notes that its archbishop, Henry Orombi, who boycotted the Lambeth Conference last year, “has not taken a position on this bill”.

The death penalty is a terrible thing and I fully agree with opposing it in all incidences. But is he saying that if the death penalty were removed and if religious leaders were immunity for the reporting clause then he’d be HAPPY with this law? Are these 2 REALLY the only parts of the law he has a problem with?

How about this “Criminalising homosexuality is WRONG!”? Hey, how’s that for a statement, Rowan? Not “the death penalty is wrong” (which I agree with) or “making it hard for religious leaders to tend their flocks is wrong.” How about a simple “punishing homosexuals is wrong.”? How about a simple “this entire law is wrong.”?

Because THIS statement makes me think you agree with it in principle - you just think it’s a little too harsh. I’m really feeling the Christian love.
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This is something that is bugging me a little but I want to make a full post on it so I’ll come back to it.

Pepsi has declared that they are shocked and appalled about the terrible homophobia and violence espoused by the bigot, the Beanie Man and they’d never ever have sponsored him if they had known and are Most Cross with their bottling partners who didn’t realise that it was homophobic.

Uh-huh. Yeah this is my “believe” face. Truly. Because I’m sure you OFTEN sponsor things without ANY idea what they are, right? (Sparky’s take: Pepsi didn’t really give a damn what their bottlers in Africa were doing and the bottlers in Africa saw this as been real popular in Uganda and didn’t realise lot’s of pissed of gay people would notice - so it was arse covering time!).

Rick Warren, the Catholic church (helllo, Archbishop of Canterbury? The freaking Catholic church beat you! Stop playing “more hateful than thou!” already) and the White House (What the hell? The Catholic Church and Rick freaking Warren beat you to the punch?! What’s up with that?) have all finally condemned Uganda

Yeah, again, really not impressed here. Sure, it’s good that they have condemned it (finally) and it’s certainly better than Rowan bloody Williams’ deciding to keep silence because he’s too busy getting huffy about a Lesbian bishop (which is TOTALLY more important than rounding up gay people en masse and killing them, totally).

But really, is this supposed to be believed to be sincere? Really? Because to me it looks like buckling in face of increasing, furious rage - it looks like back peddling, like arse covering, like a token PR gesture when you realised just how much it’s NOT just going to go away.

We’ve been talking about it for a long damn time in the face of the silence. What did you need that time for? Did you need thinking time? Was the act debateable to you? Were you unsure whether you’d be against it or not?

I’m glad they’ve condemned it. I’m ecstatic they’re piling on the pressure. I dearly hope that the pressure will be enough to stop this evil happening. I hope like hell we can avoid having another death penalty country added to this map. I hope there won’t be another country added to the list of those that LEGALLY kill homosexuals.

But the delay sent a message all of its own - and that worries me. That worries me a lot.

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