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Since out last game fell apart from RL issues it’s been a while since we played a game and it’s nice to start afresh now and then, so a new vampire game is planned. And I intend to report it here :)

It’s going to be different. For one thing, I have chosen a city that actually exists to be the setting (I’ve mauled it hugely and changed it a lot, but it’s amazing the amount of inspiration you get from researching a city and all the plot hooks inherent.) Yuma, Arizona (I’ve massively increase the population and tweaked the history for game reasons, though) because there’s something vaguely amusing about having vampires in the sunniest place on earth.

Of course, I was slightly worried when the players instantly checked out Arizona gun laws and came up with “you can carry just about anything without a permit so long as it’s not concealed.” To which one of the players added “how am I supposed to conceal THIS gun anyway?“ I don’t know what “this” gun was but I have the fear. I didn’t believe them but that actually does seem to be true and I have yet to find anything that proves them wrong. Oh dear, this could be a problem.


ETA: My knowledge of Arizona is... loose. If anyone with more info than me out there wants to drop some relevent facts I should be aware of on me (of Arizona or Yuma), I'd much appreciate it (because I is lazy and it is easier than fact checking) especially if something becomes obviously relevent in the game

But I digress: The Opening setting of the game:




The party is a close knit gang of Anarchs in a Camarilla city. They manage to maintain their presence because a) one member is a wealthy, influential lawyer and b) between them they have 7 points of arsenal, 9 points of retainer, multiple points of herd, expert gunsmith skills and expert explosives knowledge. 1 is ex military, 1 ex police, 1 ex professional criminal. The sheriff has adopted an official policy of “oh fuck” and hovers like a vulture trying to see if he could pick them off while they’ve attempted not to do anything TOO aggravating. It was a delicate status quo, but it worked and the gang enjoyed their freedom and independence.

Times have changed, however. the Anarch Free State of California has collapsed under the dual pressures of the Camarilla and Cathayans. San Francisco and Los Angeles are torn between Camarilla and Cathayan vampires, Sabbat rumble in the south and the Anarch Baron of San Diego has declared herself to be a Camarilla prince and abandoned the Anarch cause. More importantly, the raging war between the Sabbat and the Camarilla on the east coast has ended, the Camarilla are victorious even holding New York city, a Sabbat stronghold.

Rumour has it that 3 of the 6 Camarilla Justicars and ex-Justicar Xavier were involved in the fighting - and remain in the US. And now a 4th Justicar, Madam Guil is in California, talking with the Cathayans. By all accounts the Camarilla is turning its vast resources and dangerous attention to the west coast and may be ready to take California for the Camarilla.

This leaves the party in a perilous position: their home, their politics, their way of life is in ruins - the Camarilla is coming, Yuma (which in my universe is MUCH bigger than it really is) may be a staging post, at very least the Justicars aren’t going to be happy with a significant Anarch presence on their doorstep while they launch their Californian campaign. The gang can take just about anything the sheriff can throw - but if the Archons are dispatched to Yuma there could be trouble.


Major Theme to continue:
The party trying to find a place for themselves in the world. The Anarch movement has all but collapsed, certainly on a organised (hah!) level. Can they make peace with the Camarilla authorities? Do they want to? Should they join the Camarilla? If so, what prestige can they negotiate out of it? What about the Sabbat? Will the Camarilla allow them to maintain independence? If so, what will it cost and what accord can them make with them? The party is lost and dancing on quicksand and desperately trying to find a place for themselves.


Major Style changes:
Usually I like to adopt a “Deux Ex Machinae” style to my games. They play in huge cities with vastly powerful vampire elders who largely leave them alone... but act as a threat against player stupidity. I find it’s useful after several debacles I try not to dwell on. They rarely have to do anything , the mere fact that they’re THERE is enough for the players to behave with a modicum of sense. In the same vein, the elders of the city tend to be old and power - to be respected by the players and in turn return a small measure of contempt (at least in the early part of the game).

There is still a Deus Ex Machinae here, but it’s less immediate. The players, as a group ARE a power in the city. They’re well trained, they’re well armed, they have a small private army. They can (and will) demand respect from the elders who in turn will be sparing with their contempt. Of course, if the players mess up too badly the prince can still have their neighbourhood burned down at high noon and there’s always the archons - but it’s not an immediate or an obvious thing. In a way the players will have the feeling of being relatively untouchable. I want to see if they can deal with that better this time round or if I’m going to have to dish out some smack down.

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Date: 2007-08-11 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
you EVER do a game set in Wisconsin, i offer my services in advising you about Wi gun laws *my qualifications are A: i live in Wisconsin & have bought numerous handguns & long guns (shotguns) & B: i hold a Collector Of Curios & Relics Federal Firearms Licence

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Date: 2007-08-11 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Will do and thanks :) I've only ever set one game in Wisconsin - it was a Demon game. I blame Dogma

These guys may travel so i may be bothering you anyway

Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-11 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
there is a mandatory 48 hour waiting period on all handgun purchases
from a licenced dealer

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-11 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
just Wisconsin as far as i know, however if you were to buy my Ruger .357Mag revolver from me, $300 and it's yours that day, NO paperwork as there is NO waiting period on handgun sales between private citizens

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-12 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
And, from what I've seen, western (not west coast, obviously) and southern states are likely to be, if anything, more casual about firearms sales. So, basically, firearms acquisition is not a problem

What is the upper extent of acquisition? I mean hand guns, yes, rifles, yes, shotguns, yes - are there any high calibre guns that have special rules? I understand there were laws against fully automatic weapons (though they may have lapsed)

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-12 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
well, in Commiefornia, the Barret .50 ? FORBIDDEN, and federal regs are that above a certain caliber, it's considered a Destructive Device, and full auto you have more regulations on both state & federal levels & at the state level it varies so widely from state to state, i can't begin to tell you what the state rules are

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-12 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
LOL, I'm used to all guns being forbidden - I can't tell you odd the idea of being able to acquire handguns so casually is.

So if a weapon is TOO big or fully automatic they're going to have more trouble finding it and they're going to have to be... subtle about its use and display

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-12 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
thats about the size of it

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-12 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
but with a Black Powder firearm in Wisconsin, there is NO bg check, NO forms to fill out, pay the $ and you're on your merry way

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-12 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
no waiting period on Black Powder handguns in Wi either

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-13 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Black powder firearm? elaborate s'il vous plait

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-13 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
rather than a self contained metallic cartidge where the primer, powder, & bullet are combined in 1 unit, in a black powder firearm, you pour a CAREFULLY measured charge of black powder into the chamber, followed by a lead ball wrapped in a small patch of cloth,ramming it down the barrel with the ramrod until it is seated against the powder charge, then you pull back the hammer & place a percussion cap on the nipple (heh heh heh) at the breech (rear) of the firearm, in this case a rifle

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-13 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
basically it's the same with a flintlock, but you don't use a No #11 percussion cap with that

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-15 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
So we're talking old fashioned relic-type guns?

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-15 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
well, i'm talking about reproductions of such guns, but basically, yes

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-11 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
And I assume in this period background checks and the like are performed?

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-11 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
that would be correct, bg checks on both a state & federal level, plus you'd have to fill out both a Wisconsin handgun transfer/purchase form, as well as U.S. BATFE ( United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, & Explosives) form 4473

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-11 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
however, there is NO waiting period on Long Guns (Rifles & Shotguns) in Wisconsin

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-12 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Presumably that means no background check, then?

What about the BATFE? I assume this records the serial number of the gun and the name/details of the owner - does this have to be filled out for long guns?

What about casual private transfer (as mentioned above?) do you need a form? Is it a state form or a federal one and does it record ownership details?

For that matter, if it does record name/serial number at al, to what degree do they check your ID?

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-12 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
yes, every time i bought a shotgun from a dealer, be it walmart or the local pawnshop, i HAD to fill out the 4473 & no, for private transfers, NO paperwork, no forms,you hand me the $, i hand you the fiream (after checking to make sure i'm not handing you a loaded weapon) and you're on your merry way

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-12 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
which basically means that once it has been privately sold tracking it becomes and utter pain if not impossible?

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-12 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
it could be tracked back to the person who bought it from the gun shop, but if that person sells it to a friend, thats all the farther it goes

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-12 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
are these background checks universal? you mentioned federal - that implies that every state would do it or is it just Wisconsin checking with the feds for any kind of criminal record?

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-12 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
i can only speak for Wisconsin with any degree of certainty, but to the best of my knowledge they are *last i heard in the DPRK (Democratic Peoples Republic of Kalifornia) there was a 15 day waiting period on handguns*

Re: Wisconsin gun law fact 1

Date: 2007-08-12 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
15 day waiting period? LOL and this is considered strict on guns? I can consider this the upper level of control?

How much are owners and serial numbers matched and tracked?

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Date: 2007-08-11 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beladibaby.livejournal.com
I am absolutely squeeing with geekiness!!!!! I am not only a resident of Arizona for most of my life (Tucson and Phoenix), but I live and have live in Yuma for about 15 years. If you want info, just ask away and I'll do my best to help you out. If it helps, I'd be happy to answer questions or anything else you need. We lived on base until hubby retired (he pretty much served his entire career out here)so if you want general public info on the base feel free to ask.
Ok now to hustle off and start getting ready for a show...and giggle manically at the thought of Yuma for an RPG setting *GRIN*

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Date: 2007-08-12 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Geekiness ftw!

By base I assume you mean the Marine air base or the weapon testing Proving Ground?

I am now going to grill you with questions! there will be millions without relent! So quickies for the hour

I've heard of Yuma internatonal airport, yet i can only find details of flight from Yuma to LA and Las Vegas - which strikes me as being rather non-international and very small.

I believe there are 3 nature reserves in the area? Including the Dunes? And 2 Native American reservations. How close are these to Yuma?

In ethnic make up I understand Yuma has an understandably large Hispanic population - is spanish a common language?

The source I used described the city as having rather high unemployment - follow on questions, are crime and poverty major issues? (In vampire games this counts because I need to know whether the kindred can feed on poor mortals with little repercussions or not)


Heee, I choose odd locations - the sunlight thing caught mne, and the reservations were useful for the plot, as well as near California and Mexico without actually being in either

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Date: 2007-08-12 07:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beladibaby.livejournal.com
Yep, Marine base. The Proving Grounds is about half hour or so drive up 95 from here.
OK Yuma International Airport. Very small is a good discription...lol. According to what I have been told the whole reason it's called an "International" airport is because the airport uses the Marine base's runways and traffic controllers/tower. Because the military planes do go international, they get to call themsleves an international airport. The reality is it's mainly puddle jumper/prop planes that go in and out of there on the civilan side. They do run flights to Phoenix and I believe Tucson and LAX in California as well as Vegas. Actually the Vegas run was just recently added. The airport is about 100 yards long. If you are on the first flight out in the AM ignore all the "get there two hours early" crap you hear, the employees don't get there much more than an hour before the first flight goes out (Found that one out the hard way...LOL). The hangers to several of the Marine Harrier squadrons (including hubby's old one and the one he now works as a civilan at) are on the other side of the runways. You could possibly run across the runways and onto the base proper since there are no dividers between the two sides once your on the airstrip proper to board the planes until you hit the access gates to the flightline and buildings. The runways/airport are surrounded on two sides by rather busy streets with pretty much constant traffic flow. You can sit at the fairgrounds across the street and watch the planes launch, both military and civilan.
Nature reserves. I'm not 100% sure these are all reserves since we're not really all that much of the outdoorsy types, something about 110+ summers...lol. But right off the top of my head if I was looking for a place to hang out/for recreation there is the Imperial Dunes. Namely Buttercup, Glamis and Gorden's Well where folks go to run sand rails, buggies, and all other sorts of off road vehicles. Nice in the winter, not any place anyone sane would be in the summer or in high winds. They are about 30 to 45 minutes away depending on how fast you drive (and how many cops are out....lol). The "season" usually starts Thanksgiving weekend and ends around Memorial Day.
There is also the Colorado river. Fishers Landing is a hotspot to launch boats and jet skis out of during the season (usually Memorial Day weekend to around Labor Day weekend)and is about a 20 minute drive out on the other side of the Proving Grounds. People are on the river year round, fishing, swimming and partying. Lots of little side bits and such that you can easily get a boat in and are fairly secluded. There is also Mitry (probably spelled that wrong) and Martinez lakes nearby. We never were much for the lakes so I can't tell you too much about them.
Part two posted below...shot winded I'm not...LOL!

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Date: 2007-08-12 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beladibaby.livejournal.com
We have a huge Hispanic popluation, the border is a very short distance away. The whole "speak the language" thing is a huge here. I honestly hear more people speaking Spanish around town than I do English on a regular basis.
We have a pretty high poverty/unemployment rate although that seems to be dropping due to all the businesses coming into town lately. If your looking for "fodder" that wouldn't raise suspitions I'd look at the transient and illegal populations. It is not unusual at all to hear about bodies found in the desert, dunes and All American Canal from illegal crossing into the country. They die from lack of water in the desert, drowning in the canal since there are some very nasty currents in there. We also have a swell in transient/homeless population due to the nice winter weather. A large part of them come in by hopping the trains that run through town. In the winter was also have a lot of migrant workers, many who come into the country from Mexico to work the fields, planting and harvesting lettuce, brocoli and other crops.
You don't see too many people carrying around guns anymore. When I first moved out to Tucson in the early 80's it was common place but now, its rare that you see anyone openly carrying a gun. You might raise an eyebrow or two but I doubt anyone would comment too much on it.(Just adding my two cents worth to the conversation below too...LOL)
Any other questions feel free to ask. I hope this helped you out some!!!

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Date: 2007-08-15 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Is there a lot of conflict over immigration/lanaguage there? I know it's very much an issue du jour

Sounds like a perfect place for vampires! Almost built for them


It helped a lot :). What museums/galaries do you have? Anything special? :)

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Date: 2007-08-15 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
That explains the airport, I was driving myself to distraction trying to find its international flights!

I've been told about the lakes and a couple of reserves from wikipedia, just no clue how close they are. Ah, those dunes wopn't be reserves I imagine - I can't see people being allowed to do that much potentially damaging activity on reserves - what about the Algodones Dunes? They feature highly/relatively close?

The river is used a lot for recreation - but is it a working river? Are there any actual docks for freight? Or a major river crossing?

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Date: 2007-08-11 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrmeval.livejournal.com

You must go to the dark side for that information as packing.org is down again.
http://nraila.org/statelawpdfs/AZSL.pdf

Just some info on doing it in the heat
http://www.geocities.com/gunversation/ccwaz/ccwaz.html


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Date: 2007-08-12 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Thanks - looking at those links it seems, yes, they're right...

I take it that even though it IS legal to carry a weapon unconcealed, it isn't common and is likely to be remarked upon?

I imagine concealed carry would be a bitch in the heat anyway - but since the characters are vampires (don't have body heat or suffer from heat exhaustion) that's not likely to bother them

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Date: 2007-08-12 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrmeval.livejournal.com

Based on a friends comments no one gives a damn. They won't call the cops unless the person just does not belong in that area. They are poorly dressed or slovenly in an upscale area, they are being belligerent, etc.

Same as here in Indiana. I have carried openly here and concealed. It is absolutely required that you get a permit for either. But there is a grace clause, the first time you're caught is a slap, the second is a felony with loss of gun rights forever and jailtime. There is no listed restrictions on what you can carry in Indiana but a jury may and has disagreed so leave the machine pistols, machine guns and short barreled shotguns at home.

Same as AZ no one will call the cops and report a 'man with a gun' unless you're in a more upscale area and look like a slob. They may do that anyway.

In some cases you might get told politely that your gun is showing and it doesn't mean your fly is unzipped. ;)



Wisconsin Gun Law Fact 2

Date: 2007-08-15 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
there is NO concealed carry allowed in Wisconsin, unless you are a cop

Re: Wisconsin Gun Law Fact 2

Date: 2007-08-16 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
So all your weapons must be in plain view?

Re: Wisconsin Gun Law Fact 2

Date: 2007-08-16 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
yes, but if you open carry, you WILL have to deal with the cops, and at the least, you might get a ticket for Disorderly conduct

Re: Wisconsin Gun Law Fact 2

Date: 2007-08-16 01:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] makarov.livejournal.com
don't tell anyone, but i've been breaking that law every day for the last 2 years

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