NO!

Jul. 11th, 2007 03:20 pm
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I am trying to pin down which of my clients has the most annoying habits. It’s a difficult task as there are so many annoyances my head whirls and the Hounds get dizzy. We have the guy who completely denies reality, the repeat offender who chats up his lawyer, the lady who won’t keep her hands to herself and the woman who is single handedly trying to reverse the course of women’s rights

But a special prize goes to N. I have yet to have a meeting with this soon-to-be-divorced lady without wanting to throttle her. I have to keep my hands under the desk so she can’t see the clenching motions.



N is a successful business woman. She is forceful and dominant and an amazing sales person and at negotiations because she bludgeons people into submission. She always gets what she wants, she fights tooth and nail for her goal and she demands the whole world arrange itself around her. And this is just what she says about herself. What I have to say about her is unprintable and certainly not repeatable in polite company

Her most annoying habit is the word “no.”

Such a simple word, but let me try and describe how she says this.

Imagine you have a puppy. Your puppy repeatedly chews your Gucci shoes. You don’t shout at the puppy but you do tell it “no” in a very firm “stand for no argument” tone of voice. This is how she says no. To make it worse, she actually accompanies it by thrusting her hand in front of my face, palm wide. Yes, a “talk to the hand” gesture. The first time she did it I knocked her hand away because I thought she was trying to hit me.

This? Does not amuse. This does not amuse at all. The next time she says “no” I’m going to say “kill” and let the Hounds do their worse.

As if this truly horrendously bad habit was not sufficient for me to strip the oceans bare to have enough fish to slap her with it is made worse by when she uses it. See, no-nonsense, I-get-what-I-want, you’ll-do-it-my-way uses it to deny reality.

So the conversation goes something like this:
Sparky: The court will probably require the house to be sold
N: NO! *hand gesture* I will have the house.
Sparky: You could buy...
N: NO! *hand gesture* all of it, in settlement.
Sparky: The rest of your collected assets don’t come close to..
N: NO! *hand gesture* The house is mine. I’m not buying him out. The court will give it to me.
Sparky: But..
N: NO! *hand gesture*

She just will NOT discuss anything she doesn’t want to hear. She will not hear any counter arguments, won’t hear any possibility of it not going her way, she won’t even consider HOW she is going to get her way. She just wants it. End of story. No debate. She wants, she gets.

I think she’s the first client in a long time that I am actually considering dropping - ethics be hanged. The only thing keeping me in this case is that I am looking forward to seeing her being utterly mangled in court. It’s probably not a good sign when you’re actually looking forward to seeing your client squished.

I don’t see what the point is of her even having a lawyer if she won’t even listen to my advice. I’ve had clients ignore me before (like on a daily basis) but never actually refuse to let me speak! And if she says “NO!” again I’m cutting her hand off and feeding it to the hounds. As an appetiser. Then I’m getting creative.

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Date: 2007-07-11 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] klgaffney.livejournal.com
....are you kidding me? that hand should have been bitten off and spat back in her face a long time ago. this dear sweet lady is being divorced? i can't imagine why!

*leans over to address the other party* psst! instead of divorce, allow me to suggest a chainsaw and a rolled up carpet? my rates are low.

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Date: 2007-07-11 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
She was married for 6 years.

SIX YEARS?! Good gods, I'm no stranger to kinky masochism, but this man is just WEIRD.


Hells, I'd pay him to do it!

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Date: 2007-07-11 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] klgaffney.livejournal.com
he was probably done after the first six months. but he had to get past her yelling "NO!"*hand* every time he tried to say it in person.

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Date: 2007-07-12 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Exactly. mnaybe he got her really drunk or managed to pin her hands down just long enough to scream "I WANT A DIVORCE! YES YES YES!!!!!"

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Date: 2007-07-11 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helbling.livejournal.com
Drop her. Really, drop her. Then go to court, and sit on the other side to watch the mangling. And smile and wave if she sees you.

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Date: 2007-07-11 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
I think i may be ethically required to drop her - I mean it's not like she's getting any legal advice anyway

good luck with this bint

Date: 2007-07-12 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] semiotic-pirate.livejournal.com
that's the way to go with it... "I'm so sorry, I am ethically required to drop this woman as a client..." that could totally fly.

can a person from the U.S. use Brit slang insults with impunity? *hopeful look*

Re: good luck with this bint

Date: 2007-07-14 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
I really think I am :)

Yes, of course. However, if you have a valley girl accent or a strong Texan drawl we are obliged to point and laugh at you.

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Date: 2007-07-11 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girl-working.livejournal.com
And you wonder why she's getting divorced... *checks with husband* Nope, i'm not that bad...

And yay! Sparky!Lawyer stories! :D Was missing them brightening up my LJ... :D

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Date: 2007-07-11 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
I'm amazed the marriage lasted as long as it did. I can only assume he's spent the last 6 years trying to say "I want a divorce" but only ever got as far as "I want..."

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Date: 2007-07-11 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stormcat.livejournal.com
Can you tell her to stop with the hand without getting in trouble with your firm?

If she stomps out, I agree with the suggestion of sitting in court on the opposing side just to see her get monched. ;)

(I'm seeing why I'm being a relatively good divorce client. Aiieeee.)

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Date: 2007-07-11 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
I think it is more than reasonable, and I have politely asked. But this is not a woman who accepts negative opinions.

I'll go an sit in the audience and grin at her. Because I am so going to have to drop her since she ISN'T getting legal advice and this pretence has gone too far. I cannot work with her because she will not work with me

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Date: 2007-07-11 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stormcat.livejournal.com
Ugh. What does she think she is, an American trophy wife?

I think that's probably the sensible course of action. :P I pity whoever she tries to retain after you!

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Date: 2007-07-12 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
I think she has a strange idea of what a hardnosed business person should be - someone who thinks "tough and no-nonsense" means ignorant and rude

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Date: 2007-07-11 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solid-squid.livejournal.com
Next time she does it I suggest you tell her that she's hired you for your legal advice, and if she refuses to listen to that advice there is little point in her being here.

Nothing unethical about dropping a client like this. Hell, not letting her waste her money is probably the *ethical* thing to do

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Date: 2007-07-11 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Next time I'm just dropping her. I've spoken to her. This is beyond ridiculous, she is not getting legal advice, my present is neither required nor achieveing anything

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Date: 2007-07-11 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baranduyn.livejournal.com
Do judges wear wigs to hear civil matters or just in criminal court?

Because if her judge gets the "NO" treatment and he or she has a wig on that thing is gonna go flying as the judge either laughs at her or kicks her out of court. Get video.

My mother got kicked out of her divorce hearing...okay, she got hauled out by the bailiff. Nobody got video. I'm kind of sad about that now.

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Date: 2007-07-11 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Judges may always wear a wig, but recently there has been a push not to use them in inappropriate situations -= family is often one of them

No cameras in court by law - but I sorely regret it sometimes

If the client was always right ...

Date: 2007-07-11 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walklikeacat.livejournal.com
Rule 1 - "If the customer was always right she wouldn't need a lawyer".

Rule 2 - "Refer to rule 1"

Perhaps you could also point out with a degree of compassion (no, forget the compassion. We're lawyers dammit) that only in LA Law or Boston Legal or such like is the lawyer able to find loop holes to get the client whatever she wants provided she pays enough. That is because it is fiction and the script writers are interested in drama not law. In real life our job is to point out that under section 23 (or is it 25? I forget) of the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973 you're screwed big time sweety.

In the bad old days when I still did divorce law I remember once drafting a advice note for the client to sign regarding a financial settlement that went somewhat along the lines of "I acknowledge that my solictor has told me that accepting the offer made by the other side would be incredibly stupid and that he has advised me against it. Nevertheless I have instructed him to go ahead because I would rather believe what my soon to be ex-husband tells me his lawyer says than what my own solicitor says". What is more she signed it.

I would also say sack her, sack her now. Tell her to "Go. GO! Go and never darken my doors again" preferably with dramatic hand gestures pointing her to the door (behind which the hounds will of course await).

Seriously though I many many times regretted taking on or keeping a client but I never ever regretted getting rid of one.

Re: If the client was always right ...

Date: 2007-07-12 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Whoever coined the term "the customer/client is always right" should be taken out and shot. In the head.

Certainly for clients. Clients are NEVER right. Clients are idiots. The centre all of the world's stupidity gravitates to clients

Oh I HATE television legal dramas. Hate them with a fiery, soul sapping passion of loathing. I think my clients get a good 80% worse if they've seen one

Heh, we have a note like that (but not quite so strenuously worded in our precedent system! We call it our protection against negligence claims - no, we weren't that bad at advising them, they're just that stubborn and that dumb.


I am going to have a frank talk with her and if she doesn't change (or won't let me talk) I'm dropping her - there is no point in me continuing with this train wreck.

Re: If the client was always right ...

Date: 2007-07-13 04:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] seryan.livejournal.com
Quote:
Whoever coined the term "the customer/client is always right" should be taken out and shot. In the head.

That was, IIRC, the founder of Selfridge's. He later died alone, broke, and insane, something I'm fond of shooting back at people who quote that awful, awful, hideous, satan-spawned phrase from hell.

Re: If the client was always right ...

Date: 2007-07-14 01:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] seryan.livejournal.com
Yup.

I wanna be just like Karma when I grow up. ;P

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Date: 2007-07-11 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] only-playing.livejournal.com
Hell, don't worry about the Hounds, just sick the Mad Secretary on her! Lets see how far "No! *hand*" goes then...

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Date: 2007-07-12 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Mad Secretary suffers enough witht he clients. She'd just borrow a hound :)

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Date: 2007-07-11 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logophilos.livejournal.com
The first time she did it I knocked her hand away because I thought she was trying to hit me.

Holy fuck. How the hell does she get on in business with behaviour like that?

I suspect even the hounds couldn't digest someone with a hide as tough as that!

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Date: 2007-07-12 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
She does it by bullying. She gets lower prices and better deals by simple intimidation. I bet they get few repeat customers.

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Date: 2007-07-11 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brownkitty.livejournal.com
Are you personally required to represent the mentally unstable?

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Date: 2007-07-12 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Not required to, no. Usually we strive to represent even the most difficult of clients but when they're like this there's just nt point

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Date: 2007-07-11 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brownkitty.livejournal.com
Oh, the temptation to handcuff her to her chair, where she can't raise her arms, and see if that makes her able to listen to you.

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Date: 2007-07-12 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
or we cna cut off her hands...

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Date: 2007-07-12 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sapphybelle.livejournal.com
Even just reading about that makes me want to slap her. You have far greater restraint than I, Mr Sparky.

I've been missing your idiot client stories!

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Date: 2007-07-14 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
She needs slappiung and stabbing and burying at crossroads

Thank you :)

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Date: 2007-07-12 08:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thisdaydreamer.livejournal.com
*wince* Just wait until this one has to face reality.

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Date: 2007-07-14 12:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Reality has a great big clue bat just for her!

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Date: 2007-07-12 02:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] seryan.livejournal.com
*blinks* Wow. It's like she's trying a Jedi mind trick, and screwing it up royally. I'm amazed the husband is divorcing her, not just dropping her in pieces into various rivers.

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Date: 2007-07-14 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
Think of the river pollution!

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Date: 2007-07-12 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladydyani.livejournal.com
Hahaha! Do let us know what happens in court.

And get your pay up front. She'd probably refuse to pay because "you didn't do what you were supposed to."

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Date: 2007-07-14 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com
hah, she reufses we sue her and get to say "YES!"

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