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sparkindarkness ([personal profile] sparkindarkness) wrote2008-08-12 09:53 pm

This? THIS disgust beyond words!

http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5htQjSre-hYFZBuou5srqd2HJxgVA

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7556958.stm

NO this woman did NOT contribute towards her own rape - no matter if she had been sucking up an entire brewery's contents. I don't care if she was PARALYTIC in the gutter. SHE DID NOT CONTRIBUTE TO HER OWN RAPE

She was sexually assaulted. She was raped. Someone forced sex on her that she did not want. This man assaulted her - and NOTHING she did can change that. NOTHING she did, NO state she was in in any way encourages, influences or otherwise causes a man to sexually assault a woman. That's ENTIRELY in his court, his responsibility, his doing. She never asked to be raped. She never causes her rape. She never encourages her rapist to rape. She never brings rape upon herself. No matter how VULNERABLE she is to rape it is never ever her fault or her responsibility because she was targetted.

A WOMAN CAN NEVER BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HER OWN RAPE. Even implying that she can be even in part be responsible for it is utterly without merit and revoltingly inexcusable.

[identity profile] bladespark.livejournal.com 2008-08-12 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
That's pretty sick. Ugh.

(Though I DO personally differentiate between "I was so drunk I said yes and I didn't actually mean yes" and "raped while under the influence." And I really dislike it when somebody calls the first one rape. That's accusing a guy who thought he was having consentual sex with a crime he probably would never dream of committing.)

[identity profile] polarbee.livejournal.com 2008-08-12 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the problem comes in differentiating those two situations after the fact as a third party.

[identity profile] bladespark.livejournal.com 2008-08-12 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I know it's a very gray area, really. But it just makes me squirm inside thinking that a girl would happily destroy a guy's life (because that's what happens when you're accused of rape, no matter how it turns out, people will think of you forever as a rapist) just because she decided when she sobered up that she didn't want to do that after all.

[identity profile] ladydyani.livejournal.com 2008-08-13 10:39 am (UTC)(link)
I know a woman who did that. It was the morning after, so she had a hangover but she wasn't drunk, and she said he took advantage of her and claimed it was rape.

He was military. She very nearly ruined his career.

[identity profile] sparkindarkness.livejournal.com 2008-08-13 11:43 am (UTC)(link)
There is a huge difference but the latter happens a loit less often than people would have us believe (I think it is an element of societal misogyny that there is this assumption that a woman reporting a rape is lying - I mean, it happens so often and is so prevalent).

The sad fact is that most rapes are very he said/she said affairs so the chance of ANY rape resulting in conviction are slim. So a false accusation is highly unlikely to result in a conviction - though the accusation can be a problem in itself.
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[personal profile] jerril 2008-08-14 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the guy should probably feel nasty for taking a woman who's utterly shitfaced seriously when she says much of anything, because dude, she's totally drunk and it's KIND of hard not to notice that... but agreement that the two shouldn't be confused.