But that';s the point - werewolves are killing machines of doom against anything but the most ancient and powerful of vampires - but on any battlefield that isn't actually a physical confrontation (like mortal influence) they fail pretty badly

Which is why i alwasy told my vampire players "don't fuck with the werewolves. They CAN kill you" of course after loooong sessions of playing the Gangrel with a fuckton of experience declared "like hell they can" which was kind of hard to argue but it was generally the case