First, harald387 exaggerates. "A few hours" by car? Fuck that - I own a car and he doesn't, so I know the truth. I can get myself hopelessly lost and die of exposure if my car breaks down in *25 minutes*.
I live in a suburb, but if I need to cross the whole city and get lost and die on the *far side* of it, I can do that in an hour and a half. Three hours, in rush hour.
That being said:
A city moderately close to forested wilderness “close” can be "within 2-3 days solid travel" but more than a week would be pushing it. The wilderness has to be predominantly woodland.
1.4 million people in the surrounding area, MASSIVE greenbelt, and you can hit Trackless Wilderness *in hours*, fuck days. Given three days, you can get to fucking Hudson's Bay, Labrador, or Manitoba, and nobody lives there.
Temperate/cold climate Snows in winter. Has pine trees. That kind of thing. No deserts, palm trees, calypso dancers.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA second-coldest capital city on Earth. Warmer than Ulan Bator. Colder than Moscow.
Not somewhere already heavily established in White Wolf’s canon I like the canon, I use it a lot and don’t want to clash with it too badly since I may want to use it. So NOT: NYC, New York State, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago
There's a funny story there, but the short version is that, thanks to the personal effort of a *single* local gamer, Ottawa By Night was shelved and the sole canonical mention of the city is "Prince Kranston is secretive, thought to be a Nosferatu, and rules the city with an iron hand inside a velvet glove. The city is unassailably Camarilla."
A Camarilla City So nowhere that is established as Sabbat - so NOT Toronto (rest of Canada’s fine, I never bought the idea of all of Canada being a Sabbat holding - it made NO sense) Detroit, Miami, Mexico
Fucking Toronto. Always fucking it up for everyone else. Seriously, the idea that *Toronto* was Sabbat was incredibly, absurdly stupid. Baltimore gets more murders *after midnight on New Years* than Toronto gets in a year. And Montreal By Night is the worst book ever produced by White Wolf, far eclipsing Dirty Little Secrets.
Native wolf population
As much as you're going to get in North America, Ottawa has it within a day's travel.
Wilderness is actually a National Park or similarly legally protected
Start with Algonquin Provincial Park - it's *almost 8,000* square km, and it's *five minutes drive* from downtown Ottawa... and then work out from there. We're at the border of the Canadian Shield - there is NOTHING there.
The city has a history (not necessarily current presence) of organised crime ties
Capital city of one of the G8. HOLY CRAP CRIMINALS.
You're not going to get a lot of Giovanni, but that's good because there are absolutely no worthwhile Giovanni concepts that aren't better done as Brujah or Ventrue (mobster) or Tremere (necromancer). And, even with that, there's still a massive Little Italy.
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I live in a suburb, but if I need to cross the whole city and get lost and die on the *far side* of it, I can do that in an hour and a half. Three hours, in rush hour.
That being said:
1.4 million people in the surrounding area, MASSIVE greenbelt, and you can hit Trackless Wilderness *in hours*, fuck days. Given three days, you can get to fucking Hudson's Bay, Labrador, or Manitoba, and nobody lives there.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA second-coldest capital city on Earth. Warmer than Ulan Bator. Colder than Moscow.
There's a funny story there, but the short version is that, thanks to the personal effort of a *single* local gamer, Ottawa By Night was shelved and the sole canonical mention of the city is "Prince Kranston is secretive, thought to be a Nosferatu, and rules the city with an iron hand inside a velvet glove. The city is unassailably Camarilla."
Fucking Toronto. Always fucking it up for everyone else. Seriously, the idea that *Toronto* was Sabbat was incredibly, absurdly stupid. Baltimore gets more murders *after midnight on New Years* than Toronto gets in a year. And Montreal By Night is the worst book ever produced by White Wolf, far eclipsing Dirty Little Secrets.
As much as you're going to get in North America, Ottawa has it within a day's travel.
Start with Algonquin Provincial Park - it's *almost 8,000* square km, and it's *five minutes drive* from downtown Ottawa... and then work out from there. We're at the border of the Canadian Shield - there is NOTHING there.
Capital city of one of the G8. HOLY CRAP CRIMINALS.
You're not going to get a lot of Giovanni, but that's good because there are absolutely no worthwhile Giovanni concepts that aren't better done as Brujah or Ventrue (mobster) or Tremere (necromancer). And, even with that, there's still a massive Little Italy.
But yeah. Ottawa.